Absolutely stupid.
Absolutely brilliant.
Smoking is a choice and you’re choosing to make it someone else’s problem by smoking at pubs
By definition a substance use disorder is not a choice.
It’s mentally addictive not physically addictive so no that’s not a defense
The choice is blowing smoke in public places, not craving nocotine
Absolutely authoritarian.
Education campaigns are far more effective with far less pushback than draconian bans. Let people choose for themselves.
I remember constant campaigns in the past trying to convince the public of the ills of smoking, and it (slowly) appeared to be working. Then vaping came along, and instead of continuing the education campaigns, the health departments tactics seemed to change to “take up vaping, it’s better than smoking”.
And now, it may just be anecdotal, but smoking appears to me at least, to be on the rise again. I wonder why?
Sounds like the same argument against banning smoking in pubs, which is probably the single greatest health intervention in the last fifty years and now supported by basically everyone.
Health departments are recommending vaping, are they? Are you just making things up?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-could-be-prescribed-on-the-nhs-in-world-first
https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/quit-smoking/using-e-cigarettes-to-stop-smoking/
https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/quit-smoking/vaping-to-quit-smoking/vaping-myths-and-the-facts/
That took about 3 seconds of Googling
They are recommending vaping in exchange for smoking. Come on you’re not even trying to good faith argument at this point, you’re just putting forward nonsense that isn’t true and then backing it up by deliberately misunderstanding basic facts.
1987 smoking banned in London public transport following the deaths of 31 people in a fire
2005 banned in nationwide public transport
2008 banned in enclosed public spaces
2018 banned in prisons
I’m curious do you think they’re all stupid or just this one? Isn’t this one just an extension of “please don’t smoke directly in front of the hospital doors” for other public places?
What about the proposed plans to raise the smoking age year on year every year?
An enclosed space is very different to outside. That’s why you don’t run your car indoors.
Should we ban pubs from having car parks? Since the exhaust fumes are quite toxic.
Lots of pubs don’t have car parks though so what’s your point?
Just so you understand, the reason that smoking outside should be banned is not because smoking is bad (although obviously objectively it is and you shouldn’t do it) but smoking near me is bad, and I am occasionally outside at the same time as you are outside. If you want to go smoke in the middle of a field, be my guest. Your life choices should not affect me.
I never realised how much people want to be controlled by the government when I was younger.
This is fucked.
“But the government wants to ban something I don’t like! That’s good. They should stop others doing things I don’t like!”
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There an element of personal freedom which people find important.
When you smoke its not just your own health you ruin. It’s the same selfish thinking antivaxers have.
That’s not a terrible analogy, but doesn’t resounding support a ban. It’s virtually unimaginable (and I suspect more or less legally impossible) that vaccination would be obligatory.
Vaccination in the past has been obligatory, eg for polio.
So has lobotomy for certain mental health patients. What’s your point?
