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    11 months ago

    Telling too that the Democratic leadership said after the fact that one of the reasons they lost was that they relied too much on small donators instead of billionaire donators. Disgusting

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          The war chest was campaign money for the biden/harris ticket, so if they went with someone who wasn’t on the ticket they couldn’t spend the money.

          This was the convenient excuse they manufactured so they could appear as though their hands were tied when just running biden again, and then kamala when that failed.

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            She burned through something like a billion and a half dollars if I remember right. She gave a shitload to rich celebrity endorsements.

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        Hate seeing this shit… “Democrats went way too far left with the pronouns stuff, so people overcorrected.”

        Fucking bullshit. They don’t know what “left” means anymore.

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      Which of course means they’ve learned absolutely nothing, and we can look forward to more of the same awful messaging and misguided/corrupt representation next time.

      Dems need to be replaced with a new party, I know FPTP is a challenge but the alternatives are worse.

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    I blame it mostly on Biden refusing to drop out, but yes political consultant bullshitters and billionaires are a huge problem. AIPAC especially.

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    11 months ago

    Proper headline:

    “Harris Chose Billionaires Over Working Class; Voters Chose to Burn It Down Rather Than Submit to More Democrat Pretending”

    If the choice is between a fast death with Trump and a slow death with corporate Democrats morphing into Republicans, can we really blame folks for choosing a fast death?

    We need progressive, true left politics if we ever want to recover.

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      I have an irrational fear of heights. That said, I’d rather go skydiving than a lot of other things involving heights because if it goes poorly, I’ll likely have instant death. Your framing of the issue gives me odd comfort. Thanks.

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        The thing is that Trump isn’t a fast death. It’s not like in 3 more years we’ll all just be gone pain free. Most of us will have to keep going in whatever hellscape these Nazis bring upon us, which as shitty as the DNC and most Democrats are, that hellscape would probably be more tolerable.

        It’s more like skydiving into a hot desert without resources with Democrats, and skydiving into a desert full of racist cacti without resources with Republicans. You’ll likely survive the landing, but you have to earn everything yourself to survive and in one situation, racist cacti are inflicting pain, especially if you’re not white.

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      can we really blame folks for choosing a fast death?

      Yes.

      One option has opportunity, the other is… This horseshit.

      Yes, I will absolutely blame any accelerationist, every time.

      Edit: If you think more people getting more hurt is OK because it might result in a more left future later, just fucking block me now please. And also gfy.

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      I mean, yea, I will absolutely blame people that voted for Trump as the reason Trump got elected. Anyone that voted for the “fast death by Trump” is a red coat moron that ushered this in. I’d much rather deal with slimy Democrats that at least throw us the occasional bone and aren’t actively attacking various minority groups over the current fascist state of affairs.

      Suggesting that people that voted for him are somehow victims or not to blame is an insult to everyone else and gives credence and excuse to being a worthless human.

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      The largest percentage of the election was that of voters that didn’t vote, and the division between republican and democratic votes was less than half a percent, if I remember correctly.

      Most are just sick of the system that’s oppressing us and are conflicted on how to fix it, or just don’t know enough to have an opinion.

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        ~64% of eligible voters did so. So technically, the majority did vote, but damn that seems like a weak turnout given the stakes at hand.

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        That majority of non voters is the second leading reason Trump was elected. Them not voting is only marginally better than voting for a fascist and they don’t get a pass because the system is flawed. Millions of other people got out and did it, and while I know there is interference for a lot of people, it’s not for the majority. Silence is complacency, and the vast majority of those non voters fall squarely in that category.

        So the vast majority decided to vote for Trump and not vote against Trump, and that’s an unfortunate fact that American as a whole has gone all in on fascism, and it’s not even debatable if that’s what the country wanted.

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      Couch sitters, too. If you’re so apathetic or ignorant you think not voting because you erroneously believed the BoTH sIDeS bullshit or voting Trump was better, that is the problem.

      But then you must trace the root of why people are ignorant and apathetic to the right-wing propaganda machine both foreign and domestic.

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        Blue no matter who’s, too. People blindly supporting their party and trying to silence any criticism leading to a party that only gets worse each election, are the problem.

        Despite people’s ignorance on the topic the Democrats are also apart of the global right wing propaganda machine mind you, they are also a capitalist party.

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          Honestly, is there any election you can think of where there was an alternative on the ballot who was better than the blue though? I genuinely can’t think of a time.

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        Ah yes, choosing between genocide and someone who will commit genocide. Definitely the voters fault.

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          Politicians can’t be blamed when they fail their job of earning and swaying voters, its the voter’s fault for not being interested in a lack of meaningful change. That’s the Democrat way.

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          Ah yes, because in a binary choice outcome, you decide to take the greater poison not only in terms of genocide (which yes, a genocide can always get worse), but also worsening a genocide by Russia in Ukraine, women’s bodily autonomy, climate change, Healthcare, and LGBTQ+ rights.

          That sure makes sense… I think they call that throwing the baby out with the bathwater?

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    Based on what we know now, Harris would have been a bad president. She lost and didn’t ask for a recount when she should have and then disappeared. AOC and Bernie on the other hand have taken a stand against fascism. I’m with them not the d’s.

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    In 2029 there will be a headline exactly like this one, the only variables are wether Bernie and elections will still be around.

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    If Bernie would’ve been warning about this in 2023, he would’ve been called red fash.

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    I’m pretty far left of Harris ideologically and never really liked her or thought she was worthy of these powerful offices. I also never really expected that much from her. That being said, I was passionate about dropping Biden and supporting her campaign even at that late hour, given the immense implications of electing trump for a second term. I donated money, and rallied friends and family to get on board. Then she did that DNC speech and talked about the ‘strongest military’ yadda yadda yadda. All of that energy and enthusiasm instantly evaporated. Nothing she or her campaign did after that motivated any active support from me and I had to really fight off the urge to not vote for her. I’m entirely done with the Democratic Party as run by the current regime. Unless that party reforms, the US is absolute toast.

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    I never felt Harris actually stood for anything. This is easily the first election where I felt all the decisions made by the DNC were hard wrong - and I already thought the DNC fucked everything up when the turned on Sanders - but this time they really chose every bad option they could. A senior citizen that was absolutely having problems (outside the debate performance) and choosing an inclusivity* candidate that really had a checkered past of making climbing the ladder a priority while having no real policy gains or stances. Even in the lead up to everything, the other candidates were all but brushed aside. No real debate over policy or where the country was going.

    She said whatever middle of the road thing needed to be said to appeal to enough people while leveling mealy criticism at best for the real problems, from Israel’s shitty war to attacks worker’s right in the US. We went from a candidate that should have never run again to a candidate that hadn’t given anyone a reason to want her to run at all at the last minute. And that’s awful, especially to lose against trump.

    • I hate to even say it, but the fact is that the DNC wanted to run a black female. They banked on the (I can’t think of the word/name for it - people who want to do things for a minority community, but do so cluelessly, remove agency of the group, disregard the actual needs and culture of the group. Usually modestly wealthy white people making “programs” for minority communities) people to vote for the feel-good of voting a minority person up while not actually thinking that people would have needs and policy concerns that would influence their vote, or their willingness to vote at all. The DNC already had “protect the rich white people” as a top priority. They didn’t think people were smart enough to sense that, and everyone really had a feeling that the Democrats didn’t care about them anymore.

    Edit: found it. It’s “white saviorism” or “white savior complex.”

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        That’s an interesting video, and I don’t think it defines exactly what I was trying to say, but it absolutely is tangential to it.

        I want to say White Paternalism, where white people think they know what is best for minority groups, but that name often has an association with racism.

        Edit: found it: “white saviorism”

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          Ah, saviorism. Yeah that’s definitely what you’re describing.

          I guess what the video is describing is yeah tangential and/or like a superset. Groups high on the power structure use those who’re lower as proxies for their vying for power/resources/etc.

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            Yes, the video definitely suggests groups can be used as pawns and virtue signaling for those trying to “help” or use the appearance of it to further an agenda.

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    I blame on dnc. They should not exist. We already have republican party if we need to vote for a party that works for billionaires. Unless AOC or Bernie, this country is doomed.