• Toneswirly@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    When I was a teen I asked my religious homophobic grandma if animals dont have rational thought but can still be gay, how did they “choose” to be gay? Her response? Gay penguins dont have souls so it doesnt count.

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    Turtles are the horniest animals on the planet.

    If you don’t have enough girls per male, they will not be able to eat or drink because they are constantly molested by the fuckmachine males.

    If you want to live with turtles, don’t mix genders, or get a whole lot of turtles…

  • Omega@piefed.blahaj.zone
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    It’s cute and all but… I really hate that arguement. If it wasn’t natural, it wouldn’t make it any less moral. We don’t need to play by their rhetorical rules. I know that this is just a cute thing, but I see this kind of things all the time and I feel quite strongly about it. So what if I wasn’t born this way? So what if it’s not natural? Does it somehow make things worse? Or is just an excuse to justify hatred of something that just grosses the 'phobes out?.. y’know?

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      6 months ago

      To be fair, when arguing with anyone about things not being natural, point out the car they drive, the processed food they cook, the job they work: all very unnatural things that people “choose” to do.

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      Glasses are not natural, pacemakers are not natural, cars are not natural.

      Anyone who uses “not natural” as an argument while not living in a brush hut and cooking over a woodfire is just a hypocrite

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        We’re the only species that can make our own fires. So unless you stumble upon a fire that has started because of a lightning strike or something, cooking over a fire is pretty unnatural. Then again we are part of nature, so anything we do is natural 🤷‍♂️

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      6 months ago

      I’ve been saying this for years. It doesn’t matter if you choose to be gay or not. It doesn’t matter how many biological sexes there are. People should do what ever the fuck they want with their own bodies and personalities.

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      You know what else isn’t natural? Clothes, houses, cars, glasses, phones…

      It’s just a dumb argument to begin with, and it’s not even correct. Par for the course for conservatives.

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      6 months ago

      Of course it is a dumb argument, but it is to refute the even dumber argument that somehow homosexuality isn’t natural.

      • SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        6 months ago

        Is an anthill not natural despite having been made by natural beings?

        Is Hatsune Miku not natural despite having been made by natural beings?

        Hatsune Miku is the anthill of humanity. The peak of our nature.

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          Hatsune Miku is capable of possessing the Decepticon Soundwave so she is very much not natural.

          Also I would personally consider things created by creatures in the animal kingdom to be unnatural by default. With a further breakdown between naturalistic vs manufactured, with naturalistic being for example an anthill while manufactured would be for example a biface.

          Natural biological processes such as breathing, pissing, and shitting are natural though.

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          The words exist across languages because we use them to mean something. If they had neither denotative nor connotative use, your comment itself would not mean anything. That you made the comment seems to me to imply that you know there is a difference.

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              This is such a silly line of thinking. To call being gay unnatural is clearly a misuse of the word, but the idea that everything that exists at all is natural is nonsense. For example, hot pink is an unnatural human hair color. Even if you color your hair hot pink, and therefore it exists; that doesn’t make it natural. So in the absence of another word used to describe something that wouldn’t otherwise exist in nature without human intervention, … “unnatural” is perfectly suited to this task.

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                The silly line of thinking is that because a human does something, it makes it unnatural.

                I understand that it is meant that way. I’m just criticizing it.

                People could be born with hot pink hair and at that point it would be natural?

                Is plastic unnatural because it is made by humans? If there was a bacteria who produces plastic would that make plastic natural?

                It’s the underlying misunderstanding that people think humanity is something special.

                Let’s be real. People say unnatural and mean wrong or undesirable. And I am arguing against that.

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                  With that last part I agree. And I’d bet we probably generally agree, but as a matter of perspective our positions look different. I’m not trying to be obtuse here.

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    6 months ago

    Homosexual behaviour has been exhibited by every known species. Homophobia has only been documented in one .

    Who’s fuckin unnatural now?

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    “Being gay is gay” is the tautology this whole thing will eventually evolve to as all their arguments get refuted one by one.

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      I wouldn’t bet on it. If they cared about their arguments getting refuted via logic and/or facts, then they’d already have dropped their bullshit.

      No, they’re emotionally still children taught by bullies how to “win” by refusing to back down no matter what, and that “might makes right” so they all back each other up. It unfortunately all too often works for them by simply wearing out their opponents - who can’t fathom not giving AF about the facts, and/or just don’t know how to defeat such obstinance.

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        This is the sort of argument that might stick though “oh yea well world’s oldest tortoise is a 150 gay monogomous male tortoise named Jonathan”. The problem starts when people begin their discussions like “well scientific studies show that…”. You should treat them like they have the attention span of a toddler.

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    Where exactly is the line between “natural” and “unnatural” and why should Humans abide by what is Natural anyway?

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      Those who complain such nonsense are almost always those using religion in an attempt to control and/or manipulate others because “God” is in theory “perfect” and therefore unquestionable. They conveniently forget “God” not only isn’t the one making the complaint, but is also the one who supposedly created what they’re complaining about to begin with.

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        They always have an answer though. Always.

        I don’t understand how people can be so arrogant. Religious people come in two flavors though; the leaders who tell everyone what god wants (lol), and the people who follow those leaders but aren’t arrogant enough to think that their feelies must be the will of god.

        “‘at queer made me uncomfortable, and my discomfort is god talking to me.”

        “Amen brother dipshit!”

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          Nah, 90% of all christian people are supremely arrogant.

          They believe they are special, and better than every one else by divine mandate.

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            TBF, that description pretty much applies to virtually all religious wingnuts, regardless of their specific “faith.” Arrogant fanaticism is hardly unique to Christians.

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      I was in a band by that name. We only played instrumental national anthems.

      In hindsight, both factors might have limited our marketability a bit…

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    Those aren’t the same turtles in the two pictures. The one on the left looks like a Galapagos and the two on the right are Sulcata…

    We have a Sulcata and he humps his water bowl at least once a week.

    Im sure some animals have gay tendencies, but are these two turtles having sex or do they just hang out together? Are they given a choice to hang out with femmes, or do they keep them, males and females, separate so they don’t breed?

    Im all for guy rights and all, but this kinda stuff is why others don’t take you serious.

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    Maybe that’s why they’re almost extinct. By 1840, they had almost completely died out as a species.