I thought he was like one of the most important whistleblowers of our time exposing war crimes and shit. Some of you don’t wanna see him live another day, why is that?
“We had several leaks sent to Wikileaks, including the Russian hack. It would have exposed Russian activities and shown WikiLeaks was not controlled by Russian security services,” the source who provided the messages wrote to FP. “Many Wikileaks staff and volunteers or their families suffered at the hands of Russian corruption and cruelty, we were sure Wikileaks would release it. Assange gave excuse after excuse.”
Because obvious Russian asset is obvious.
Here’s the full story
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russia isn’t reluctant to assassinate people
Look at me, I care about human freedoms so much that my life is more important, so I’ll help Russia to paint a skewed picture instead.
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You are aware that people can disagree with your conclusions without being a shill, right? Seth Rich’s parents would also like you to stop disrespecting his memory by saying he was murdered by the DNC, they even refute he was the DNC email leaker.
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Bill Benny, Trump Qult member, enthusiastically refutes reports that exonerates the DNC of murder. Shocking. You accuse me of taking the government’s word when you’re taking the word of someone with an agenda. I mention Seth’s parents because they have a a vested interest in finding out the truth of what happened to their son and their conclusion is the DNC leaker conspiracy theory is a a load of bullshit.
A month after visiting CIA headquarters, Binney came to Britain. After re-examining the data in Guccifer 2.0 files thoroughly with the author of this article, Binney changed his mind. He said there was “no evidence to prove where the download/copy was done”. The Guccifer 2.0 files analysed by Leonard’s g-2.space were “manipulated”, he said, and a “fabrication”.
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Truthfully it was also articles about them releasing DNC hacks but refusing to do rnc hacks that seemed most obvious to me.
At best they’re extremely partisan at worst they are a Russian asset.
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Yeah, quite a few that opposed Putin just so happen to walk out of windows and poison themselves, one even put cuffs on beat the shit out of himself and gladly ate poison, while locked up
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That’s the last person I was referencing
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He’s . . . not different, that’s why he was referenced
Yeah last I heard they had found bruising on his corpse and suspected that he poisoned himself
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Couldn’t have that in a personality cult
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I guess you would say that if you didn’t understand. Makes sense that you don’t, given that you’ve been sucked into the cult of assange
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Who are the ones determining what is “convenient” to Asange and what are their politics? Just because someone will make the accusation does not make it truth.
He’s a leaker. He HAS to be selective. He might not even be getting valid info. He might be getting doctored info that would expose his sources if he leaked it, etc, etc. There is every valid reason he has to not publish something that people ignore when they make such accusations.
Wikileaks is accused of not releasing information that would be harmful to the reputation of Russia.
OK? and that magically makes his other leaks invalid?
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Because he didn’t release something (dunno what because that’s never been specified, but he should have pulled something out of his ass, I guess) about the other side, therefore his leaks regarding the DNC make him a Russian asset.
Give your head a shake.
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Again, and that makes him someone we should ignore and call for the death of?
I understand why people wouldn’t like him as a person. I’m not seeing the connection to OP’s question about him being publically hated to the point where people want him dead.
THAT … is absolutely not at all what you reference. People don’t want him dead for simply avoiding stepping on Russian toes. I’m trying to get you to think about why that is.
OP did something dishonest by making the title and body TOTALLY different, in my opinion.
The title is why are people hating on him. Lots of good answers to that.
The body then switches it to wanting him dead. I don’t think very many people want him dead. I think even the CIA/US Government want him alive and in jail rather than dead.
edit: I also think you were implying that disliking him was the same as disliking the idea of whistleblowers generally or wikileaks specifically, though you seem to have walked that back. It definitely doesn’t, though the fact that wikileaks is cowed by dictators like Putin is definitely a red flag when compared to their stated mission.
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Don’t shoot the messenger.
I’m literally only asking for clarification.
Everyone is acting like a bias is totally enough to justify asking for the death of someone…
Who called for his death?
I don’t think it makes leaks invalid.
Imagine that I’m the star witness in a trial between my dad and my brother. During the case i share everything i have on my brother, including diaries from me youth, recipets and pictures of every activity we have dine together, and relevant correspondence, but refuse to share any information involving my dad, I’m cleary not a trustworthy source and my testimony will likely be thrown out.
Stop right there.
The wiki leaks ama on reddit openly admitted to selectively releasing to further their own agenda.
and that justifies ignoring leaks and wanting him gone?
Because propaganda works.
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The USA created some thoroughly disproven ‘rape’ charges (it was never a rape charge but that was the media reporting and most people don’t read beyond headlines).
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Classic painting of him as a traitor. We have ‘evidence’ you can’t see that he works for [insert enemy here]
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Some people confuse him for Edward Snowden (and vice versa). So he’s got that going for him too.
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*Heroes
From your friendly neighborhood idiot/gman
If you go against Russia/China/North Korea/Iran/India, they send a hitman to assassinate you. If you go against US and its allies, they assassinate your character first and you die in an accident in the prison with the camera footage missing.
And this is if you are actually somewhat popular, if not there are a tons of black sites they where they do Russia/China/North Korea/India shit and their populace will deflect how they are more humane like their life depends on it.
Just so you know, this comment reads like you really like Jeffrey Epstein and you think he was set up…
From what I can tell, he started out as someone who just exposed a lot of dirty laundry. As the USA came after him more and more, he turned towards embracing more and more Russian influences.
I don’t believe all the shit they tried to use to get him out of the embassy and extradited to the USA. The rape allegations that appeared and disappeared randomly were too suspicious for my liking, and clearly the Swedish courts didn’t care much or they would’ve proposed a solution that wouldn’t see him extradited (i.e. video conference based court sessions).
I find it quite logical to “switch sides” if you’ve leaked information about a government that probably wants him dead. However, he did play a role in Russian disinformation campaigns, knowingly or unknowingly, and that’s Not So Great.
I think more than anything, Assange proved that regular people in the military are terrible. It’s easy to root for Snowden because “elitist government bad and scary” is easy to accept. Manning saw her comrades commit heinous crimes and decided to come clean, which I’m sure a lot of people in the military may have thought about. Assange, however, affected geopolitics in a way that went beyond merely protecting people, and could be classified as attacking the USA as a country. Revealing the internal communication between diplomats and the government did very little to expose crimes against humanity, and just made it harder to believe the things American representatives say. Revealing (partial) information about hidden operatives also wasn’t great, because now Americans were in danger because of him.
As a non-American, I don’t have any trouble with most of the information he revealed. However, I can understand why proud Americans would dislike him more than Snowden or Manning.
One of the things I struggle to understand (maybe I should read more about it) is how US law has jurisdiction to stifle speech outside of US territories.
Like if Romania declared Borat a state secret, would every pirate on that swarm with a seed ratio above 0.00 be subject to extradition?
One of the things I struggle to understand (maybe I should read more about it) is how US law has jurisdiction to stifle speech outside of US territories.
It doesn’t. All the USA can do is politely ask another country to take action. The other country can say “no, fuck you” (i.e. if they would ask Russia), or they can say something like “sure, but then we get to ask you to give us the criminals we’re looking for too”. In decent democracies there’s usually a judge that will rule if extradition is legal or not (for instance, countries without the death penalty will often hesitate to extradite to the USA when the criminals are likely to be sentenced to death), and in this case a judge ruled that extradition is allowed.
If Romania declared Borat a state secret, and an American judge would say “fair play to you”, then Romanian nationals living in the USA may find themselves extradited.
Like if Romania declared Borat a state secret, would every pirate on that swarm with a seed ratio above 0.00 be subject to extradition?
The USA wouldn’t do anything in that case. The problem for Assange is that he committed treason, breaking American laws, and being physically present in a country with an extradition treaty. If he had fled to Russia, like Snowden did, the American government would never have gotten their hands on him.
The US (and Canada, where I live) has an extradition treaty with Romania.
The US treaty does mention that
…neither Party shall refuse extradition based on the citizenship of the person sought.
But I haven’t read it in detail so that may or may not be relevant (the past I quoted is referring to a particular part of the treaty).
My understand is that typically the threshold for extradition is mutual criminality which I suppose is my answer to how US law applies itself outside US territories (because leaking state secrets is a crime in most countries). So I withdraw my inquiry.
If Romania declared Borat a state secret pirates could perhaps be extradited.
But also note that I don’t think Assange can be charged with treason, because he isn’t American.
Oh, you’re right, Assange isn’t American. I keep confusing him with the other whistle blowers. It can’t be treason, though I’m sure there’s some kind of “attack by a private person against the state” law.
I’m pretty sure the USA can ask for extradition if someone’s behaviour damaged Americans in some way. Hackers ransomwaring American companies and sometimes movie pirates get extradited to the USA, regardless of citizenship.
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People claim “people were put at risk” but two things stand out.
- Since then has anyone died because of the leaks?
- What about the actual crime? Has anyone been procecuted ?
I think the answer to both is negative so its just that letter of law applies to the mighty. This time once again has proved it
It’s unlikely that no one died over the leaks. That alone doesn’t make leaking right or wrong though.
Obviously everyone involved responded quickly and got their at-risk people to safety. And even if spies got killed, I doubt the CIA would admit that their spies got caught.
As for indirect deaths (consequences of operations being scrapped, plans being altered, troops being redirected): it’s hard to tell. Maybe lives were saved, maybe lives were lost, it’s impossible to say.
So far, nobody seems to have been prosecuted yet. The case against Assange is still in progress, but a judgement in the case will follow soon enough.
If anyone should be facing a firing squad for putting people at risk, it would be Scooter Libby and Dick Cheney long before Assange. There are verifiable deaths from those leaks, yet nothing even close to justice has been visited on either of those traitors.
I totally agree. The way Assange has been (and will be treated) is a complete injustice. If I had my way, he’d be free tomorrow.
That doesn’t really change the fact he did endanger spies and other secret agents with some of the details he published.
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Yes, literally a show on Russian state TV. He got a paycheck from the Russian government. I mean, is it that hard to grasp that this little fact makes the “he’s a russian asset” accusations at least understandable? And I am not saying he is one. I am not that informed about him and Wikileaks to have a strong opinion.
Yeah, I think it’s too much to say he was a Russian asset because he was hired to interview people for RT. He may just as well just have been used by the network to score some quick views by having him show up. And it’s not like he could make his talk show in many western countries where he would be extradited the moment he crossed the border.
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RT is literally state controlled. It has no independence. It operates in literally the same offices as RIA Novosti.
You are out of your mind if you are trying to claim they are anything other than state TV by any meaningful definition.
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You’re full of it. From the time they were founded, they operated in the same building as RIA Novosti. RT didn’t exist until AFTER the various independent journalists and their associations were ALREADY being rounded up and cast out of Russian society.
They are now and have always been state-controlled. Stop apologizing for dictatorships.
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How much of their funding came from the state? 100%? That’s 100% control.
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Hard to imagine more miserable final for ‘world order challenger’ than employee of state-controlled ‘Russia Today’."
-Alexander Lebedev
Even Russian Oligarchs are laughing at how obvious it is.
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1 I’ve seen no evidence Assange is wealthy 2 Sure seems like cozying up to Russia is a decent escape plan when you’re worried about being locked up in the west 3 I never said all his leaks are bs, I rather appreciated what he and Snowden did. I just think he’s a self aggrandizing hypocrite 4 I could easily paint you as a Russian shill but that’d be fucking stupid because I have no evidence beyond “wahhh this guy on the internet has a different read of a situation than meeee”. I’m not sure if you’re an idiot or not, but it seems pretty clear you’re a prick. Bye.
He gained a Russian bias in terms of what documents he published.
“A show on a dictatorial regime’s state TV” doesn’t exactly inspire much confidence either.
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Russian press freedom has been under attack since way before the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014. RT 10 years ago is not RT today, but it’s still not exactly an independent news source.
His willingness to publish documents incriminating some governments (famously the American government, of course) and not others shows a bias.
I’m not saying he’s an agent working for the Kremlin, but I do think he shows bias. And honestly, I can’t really blame him after the way the West treated him.
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You are replying to every opinion in here that isn’t gargling his pasty white balls. You sound like a cultist tbh.
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What serious person is calling for his death?
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Because Assange kicked the DNC’s dog. The Republican’s were going to hate him no matter what because rationality never figured into their “my country, right or wrong” stupidity, but apparently because he released the DNC’s executive corruption and didn’t pull something out of his ass regarding the oTheR SidE, he’s obviously a russian asset.
I found the multiple allegations of rape to be credible. I don’t support rapists.
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the women who had complained about him retracted their complaints and said they were used as part of a political conspiracy against him.
Could you please source this claim?
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after looking into it, it seems only one woman retracted her accusations…
I asked if you could source the claim that the women did this. Now you say only one did, and you still have not provided a source. I read your entire comment and the linked article.
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It’s on you to substantiate your claims.
That which is claimed without evidence can be rejected without evidence
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Yeah, not sorry, I don’t debate people who rabidly support rapists, either.
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He’s the reason we got Trump in 2016. He likes to pick and choose which facts to leak and which to keep concealed in order to further his own agenda. Not to mention he gets this information from foreign agents who stole it from our government.
Edward Snowden is far more deserving of recognition for his whistleblowing. He didn’t do it to personally profit from it, just because he knew it was the right thing to do.
More like Assange outright feel into that z-tard hole and never once apologise for it cos he has no conscience.
He raped 3 women
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I’m using this thread to know who to block. Anyone who doesn’t like Julian Assange, an Australian hero, will be blocked.
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Personally? Because being a (white male) whistle blower shouldn’t protect him from facing consequences for his sexual abuses, yet it seems to nonetheless.
Fuck him (though I’ve not said a word about him before this for longer than I can remember, so I don’t know if I fall in to the category of “hating on him”, I just don’t give a shit about him, and definitely don’t think he deserves the halo the public seem to have bestowed on him).
But he didn’t commit any sexual offenses in the US. There’s no reason to extradite him other than for his work as a journalist. I mean I think the guy is a scumbag but that’s an important freedom that the US intelligence services have been trampling for decades. Espionage and journalism are clearly distinct, but our legal system maliciously conflates them.
He’s a traitor to the USA. Do you need anymore reason on Internet to be hated?
Not an American, nor was he living in America at the time. I fail to see how “foreign citizen acts in ways contrary to my country’s best interests” equals “treason”.
Now you understand what imperialism is or why they also hate Russian and chinese too.
Read into what is known and what he is accused of, and decide for yourself whether he is a traitor or whistleblower. While it won’t change anything for him, you don’t have to agree with the government’s position
I fully support him, but here I answer the thread question.
