The industries that I choose not to financially support do, hence why I don’t support them.

There are also moral virtues.

I disagree with your line of logic then. Something doesn’t need to be a moral duty to be moral. It’s not a moral duty for a poor person to donate to charity, but being charitable is a moral act.

Similarly, you can probably point to edge cases where the following line of logic cannot be applied broadly due to people’s circumstances.

For me personally,

1. Livestock animals are sentient, they display a preference to live and be free from suffering and confinement.

2. I do not need to purchase animal products to be healthy and happy.

3. In the absence of necessity, intentionally confining, harming and killing animals is not morally justifiable.

How could I agree or disagree if I have no reasoning for your position? You made the claim that veganism is amoral, that’s an uncommon and interesting position. I’m curious about your reasoning.

You keep making claims without elaborating on them. If you just don’t want to talk about it, that’s cool.

Are you saying that morality does not factor into how humans treat animals?

What’s your ethical argument for not being vegan?

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Help me out here then. You said being vegan and not being vegan are both ethical choices, like the trolley problem.

In the trolley problem, an ethical case can be made for pulling the lever or not, so I thought you were saying an ethical argument could be made for both being vegan and not being vegan. I was curious to hear your argument for the latter.

Can you elaborate on what you actually meant?

Curious to hear your explanation for how being non-vegan can be more ethical than being vegan. I’ve heard some people make interesting cases for this, by the way, but I’ve yet to see one that can be practically applied as an alternative to our current food system.

Nah I’m good actually…

IMO those people need to chill. I used to catch shit from my in laws for never feeding my kids meat, but they’re both healthy, strong and they surpass all of their growth and development milestones. Their pediatrician is more than happy with us excluding meat from their diet.

Can you fuck a kid up on a vegetarian or vegan diet? Of course if you don’t know what you’re doing and you feed them nothing but raw fruit or something. I’d argue it’s even easier to fuck them up on a standard American diet. Don’t take your kids to McDonald’s every other day and tell me I’m a shit parent for not feeding meat to mine. (Obviously this last point isn’t directed specifically at you, but at the attitude in general).

What the fuck?

Your comment had me hopeful that I had missed news about David Duke’s death.

For anything that calls for ground beef, I usually sub TVP or green lentils. Both are cheap, shelf stable and healthy options.

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Unfortunately the poor little guy starved to death.

I’ve been vegan for four years and honestly, while it was practically not difficult for me, there was a pretty big mental hurdle I had to get over. It sounds silly in retrospect, but I literally mourned foods that I thought I’d never be able to eat. Turns out I still eat all the foods I like, just with small adjustments to make them vegan. So glad I switched. Best decision I ever made.

Indianapolis, Indiana. We had a good crowd!

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