what does that have to do with decentralization? fuck cloud fare but is the argument that Lemmy instances shouldn’t try to protect their servers against attacks?
Well yeah… until frontends (instance) can be decentralized and requests sent to fragmented multiple hosts, this is how it works. One centralized frotend, connected to a more federated backend. Afaik, federation traffic should probably not go through cloudflare, but I’m no expert on that, maybe .world admins can comment.
Use a different instance to access the network.People made decentralized Lemmy kinda centralized
Didn’t they start using cloudflare to protect against constant ddos attacks causing downtime? Out of both options, having downtime from external servers failing is less of a headache to the admins (they are volunteers, this is the most important factor) than having downtime from internal servers failing.
Yeah, it’s far better to have a once in a year downtime together with the whole internet than getting a constant DDOS.
My brother in christ, you chose the instance.
.world is just the shitty flophouse I’m squatting in until I find (maybe build?) my forever home.
I’m a non-tech fl0pper. So what’s wrong with .world?
I’m a non-tech fl0pper. So what’s wrong with .world?
There’s nothing wrong with it. Lots of folks pick one or more instances more central to their interests, after they get to know this place.
It doesn’t make a huge difference.
Some of us have noticed ourselves subscribed to a large number of communities from the same instance, and then creates an account there to check out their “local” feed and discover new communities.
Some of us have noticed ourselves subscribed to a large number of communities from the same instance, and then creates an account there to check out their “local” feed and discover new communities.
In my case, it was useful for relevant local news.
Also memes.
It’s view-only when I have my VPN turned on, for starters. Other than that, it’s basically just reddit lite, that’s just vibes though. I’ve been here several months, and kinda know my way around, but don’t quite feel confident enough to join or start another instance. Still just getting the lay of the land, and - hey, I haven’t been banned yet! So the vpn stuff is the only real issue I’ve had so far.
It’s too popular, and having too many communities and users on one instance creates a problem when things like Cloudflare going down happens.
Totally get it. I forget which site led me to Lemmy but the first instance I joined was .ml and from there I moved to .world
When you call out a user on some bullshit the mods get butthurt that you’re singling them out.
Your idiotic disclaimer that you can use your messages for AI or using a “b” with a weird line on it isn’t going to do jack squat.
Edit: Plus they block the piracy sub-whatevers.
I think I’ve seen the character you’re describing. I think my take away from this thread is I need to deepen my understanding here and broaden my experience.
Its their instance, let them ruin it in whichever way they prefer. Dont like it? Block it.
That’s why I blocked sh.itjust.wor*)^%#(NO_CARRIER
Underrated joke.
sh.itjust.works was down too. I just switched instances which is the point. It’s not supposed to fail over, it just can’t be taken down because there are more instances. I sure wish my client could auto fail over to one of my other accounts grab posts though.
So sh.itjustdoesnot.works
Sh.itjust.works, unless it’s CloudFlare.
sh.itjust.works was down too
I sure wish my client could auto fail over to one of my other accounts grab posts though.
I mean, in theory, the folks admining .world could create their own fail-over. But hosting costs money and redundancy costs even more money and this continues to be - at its heart - a labor of love by a handful of charitable admins, not an enterprise level app looking to maximize uptime for revenue.
To get Fediverse to switch instances or substitute a working mirror, you’d have to pivot away from the inherently decentralized nature of the application. At a minimum, you’d need an endpoint that worked as a switch between communities.
Like, its possible, in the same way Torrents have a single entry point that ties out to a semi-unreliable cluster of hosters. But it is not (to my knowledge) how Fediverse is currently designed.
I never tried it so i don’t know: i can just login on another instance with my account made on the instance that is down?
No, but the fediverse doesn’t go down just because one instance is down.
You would need multiple accounts (one per instance), but you could just switch instances if you had that set up
It does when the majority of communities are on one server. This one included.
No.
That’s why it’s called “federated” and nont “decentralized”
Freenet/Hyphanet is I think too slow for modern internet users. P2P networks have always struggled with solving the service lookup and access problem.
Even advancements like DHTs or cheat methods like trackers will still only get you so far compared to plain old client server DNS.
Bruh.
While a traditional social networking service will host all its content on servers managed by the owner of the website, the decentralized structure of the Fediverse allows any individual or organization to host a social platform using their own servers…. [Source]
(Emphasis mine)
Oh lol, guess they inflated its capabilities ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Federation by its very nature is the very definition of decentralized. My best guess is that you’re conflating high availability (e.g. fail over servers, or round robin, or something else where when one server goes down, another kicks in as a backup but still on the same domain) with federation.
~No shade btw.~
Y’all a bunch of babies. Just block the instance or make your own if you care so much
I think the implication is that .world runs through cloudflare, which went down this morning and took out .world with it.
Also fuck you we can soapbox as much as we want, get fucked idiot
Agreed, you’re free to soapbox and call me an idiot, and I’m free to call y’all babies
This is the most wholesome insult culture I’ve seen
And everyone is right!
I’m just happy to be here!
Well, we’re glad to have you with us!
I can’t imagine ever getting so upset about someone else’s opinion on lemmy instances that I would resort to soaking down to them in such a way. Either you’ve the perfect life or some serious anger issues.
That’s not how fediverse decentration works. =P
This is why you can spin up your own personal lemmy instance as a backup to use if your main goes down.
I like the centralized and understandable moderation of this larger space.
The smaller communities are basically little fiefdoms where you can follow the rules, but if the mods still don’t like you, then you get banned with no appeal process.
I’ve got eight accounts now on different homes and four at least weren’t working
All three instances im on are CF backed, you can guess how that went.
