In the aggregate, as many as 295,000 more people may have left the U.S. than immigrated there in 2025, according to one study
Archived version: https://archive.is/newest/https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/americans-leaving-citizenship-emigration-trump-b2975395.html
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I want to sell my citizenship and think it is anti-capitalism (read: terrorists, apparently) that we cannot do so. The going rate was set at $1M by POTUS.
Wow, another win for the pedo party. Over a quarter of a million less people to deport, imprison, and eventually kill.
Would if I could.
Same. Spouse and I have discussed it. Light research shows it being too expensive for us. Kids don’t want it either. Sigh.
You can probably find a job as an English teacher in East Asia
Not if I want to keep my kids.
Same. My wife wouldn’t come. She wants to stay.
Find a new wife. Fortunately there’s plenty abroad.
I’m quite fond of her and the kids though.
You can be fond of more than one
Stay frosty out there. Legal loopholes and policy exceptions abound. ☝🏼
americans are barely literate
Trust me when I say this, it’s not the illiterate ones looking to leave
I don’t want those here either
Where’s “here”, so I can avoid it?
The entired civilized world.
Go to your shitraeli genocider friends, your Syrian headchopper Jolani or those vassal emiratsGoteem
I wonder where they are going to since it is famous that only the Americas really accept immigrants.
pegged the outflow at around 150,000 people in 2025.
Before 2009, a typical year saw 200 to 400 people renounce their citizenship. By 2025, that figure was nearing 5,000, with more renunciations expected this year because fees to do so have dropped steeply.
Wut. Everything else I’ve read said the fees to expatriate are enormous. Both a percent of net worth and fixed fees.
anyone have more info on these fees “dropping steeply”?
Iirc the fee has been lowered from 2.5-4k down to maybe 500 USD.
Did the percent net worth get lowered too?
If you’re talking about the “exit tax”, it only applies if your net worth exceeds $2M.
Or if you didn’t file 5 years of tax returns - even if you’ve never lived or earned income in the US.
This caught an acquaintances of mine who was accidentally born in the US when their mother went into early labor. They found out about both the rule of the land and the exit tax when they were an adult when their application for citizenship in a different country was rejected for already being a dual citizen of the US.
Never in my life had I considered leaving the US, but last year my wife and I started on our back up plans. We’ve now got irons in the fire elsewhere. If Republicans don’t lose power in the next two years, we will be gone. And, with the US’s global taxation regime, we may have to renounce our citizenship too. The nice thing is you can renounce and still claim your social security in retirement.
You may want to give yourselves an escape route before then. Things are likely to get dangerous before midterms. Once 2027 rolls around you may not be able to leave. At least, not legally and with all your stuff.
I really cannot imagine the Republicans losing power at this point. Not without an ammount of violence that cascades part of the power grid. People have been shouting coup for a year. Even if the dems won there’s AIPAC problem and Vance and Thiel waiting to get their dark enlightenment.
So yeah, run while you can. This is The Fall of Rome
You should plan for the possibility that last part won’t be true for long. If these thieves in power stick around, they will drain every piece of money they can back into their own hands.
Amazing to assume Social Security will still be a thing…
Repeating conservative talking points are we? Doing their job for them?
Edit: you can downvote me but that doesn’t change the fact that you are actually falling for it. Convincing younger generations that social security won’t be there for them is actually a conservative political strategy and part of weakening support for the program and making people pre-accept efforts to kill it. But, here you are downvoting the guy telling you about it instead of the ones spreading conservative talking points.
Stop fucking spreading conservative talking points. It doesn’t make you sound “very smart” or politically-attuned like you think it does. You’re just giving away your power and playing in to the conservative con of making you accept that them taking away your benefits is a forgone conclusion. It’s not. You are owed social security because you paid for it. It’s not a hand out and you shouldn’t live your life expecting or accepting that conservatives are going to take it away from you.
Unfortunately, the conservative propaganda has been partially working. Young people still may support the Social Security program, but their confidence in it has been undermined by the ‘gloom and doom’ scenario that the right promulgates. As our President and CEO Max Richtman points out, some younger adults believe they are more likely to see a U.F.O. or Bigfoot than to receive a Social Security check when they retire.
In fact, younger adults are already covered by Social Security, though they may not realize it. For example, a 27 year-old with a spouse and two children has some $2 million worth of life and disability insurance from Social Security. The perpetrators of the ‘generational divide’ propaganda never seem to mention that. Nor do they mention that the average Millennial is on track to receive about $1 million in lifetime benefits.
https://www.ncpssm.org/documents/2024-opeds-and-letters/7-myths-that-undermine-social-security/
I’m left of left and I don’t expect there to be a USA in 20 years, let alone when we’re 70.
Ya’ll getting balkanised.
What?
Being pessimistic is now conservative? GTFOH
It’s math. Each new generation funds the previous one. If people are living longer and the birthrates are declining there wont be enough funds to replenish whats being taken out.
If we end up getting SS then great, but expecting it is not smart financial planning
From the above link:
Myth 1: Social Security is ‘going broke’
The media response to the latest Social Security Trustees report is a perfect example of the potency of this myth. Headlines trumpeted that “Social Security is running out of money.” In truth, the reserves in the Social Security trust fund are projected to become depleted in 2035 if Congress takes no action to prevent it, in which case the program still could pay 83% of scheduled benefits.
Social Security itself is not ‘going broke’ or ‘bankrupt.’ The program receives most of its revenue from workers’ payroll contributions — and will continue to do so in 2035 and beyond. The only way Social Security would ‘go broke’ is if we had 100% unemployment and no one was paying into the system. Of course, that has never happened in the program’s 89-year history — and never will.
There isn’t any chance the Nazis running the US let Social Security survive.
Sounds like everyone is happy, America wants to deport them they want to leave.
Now it all makes sense: So the wall that orange Fuck wanted on the border with Mexico was meant to keep all the Americans inside, just like the Berlin Wall used to do between East Germany and West Germany.
Remember the Berlin Wall was more to keep people in, than the keep the west out.
Yes, that’s the point of my comment, albeit a joking one: The absurd wall that the orange pedo built can now serve the same purpose: keeping U.S. citizens trapped in the hellhole that the U.S. has become.
No. The camps are bad because he wants people to voluntarily deport themselves.
Rubio wants to shut down all of the Mexican consulates because of the CIA agent incident. It doesn’t even make sense.
I’m mid-application for moving down there.
Yeah how will that go when there are 1.6 million Americans living there
Brain gain
Like the rest of the world want’s them. So first you do nothing about your dead country, and you immigrate in another country.
Like WW2 people fleeing Europe, same with USA now.My Jewish family fled Europe during the pogroms of Russia.
Their family that stayed died in the camps. Fuck you.
The rest of the world has an obligation to accept refuges and use international pressure against other States that commit war crimes and crimes against humanity.
I didn’t say anything about Jewish people, I don’t understand how I did offend you. Have a nice day!
Like WW2 people fleeing Europe
You seriously didn’t consider that Jews comprised most of this group? Regardless, blaming refugees for their authoritarian government is super fucked up. You know that more people than live in most European counties voted AGAINST the Trump regime, right?
Even in the US, Trump had only like 30% of the vote.
The US is not a democracy.
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You could read the article to find out. The link is right there at the top of the page.
Where?
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my bad ☝🏼😶
First blue text from the top
Before 2009, a typical year saw 200 to 400 people renounce their citizenship. By 2025, that figure was nearing 5,000, with more renunciations expected this year because fees to do so have dropped steeply.
