I have zero hope she’ll win the primary, but I’d bet money she’d win the general if she got to it. The next problem after that though is if she ends up being president in 2028, she’ll probably not get jack shit done because of the newly massively gerrymandered congress, intrinsically anti-democratic senate, and actively hostile SCOTUS.
We’d see her win and the american left would get the largest blackpill ever as she gets fucked over and gets barely anything done, is blamed, and then we get Cyber-Trump in 2032.
she’ll probably not get jack shit done because of the newly massively gerrymandered congress, intrinsically anti-democratic senate, and actively hostile SCOTUS.
Using the Trump precedence, she can ignore Congress and SCOTUS.
If you actually believe she’ll win I have another bridge to sell you
Knowing the DNC, you’ll end up again with Biden
fuck off with that negativity
They’re not even in the U.S. they’re just here to talk shit and disenfranchise people.
The democratic party funded by AIPAC will rather see Trump for a third time than having AOC as president.
Rather than having a woman as president*
They’re run 2 candidates that lost to the GOP that were women already. Where is the idea that the Dems won’t run a woman coming from?
Fair point, but it feels bad to accept.
Why the down votes for this comment?
Cuz they already ran a woman for president, twice. So saying the dems don’t want a woman president is just categorically false.
Gotta get the red Dems out.
Many believe Harris lost in 2024 because voters viewed her as too progressive, and that Ocasio-Cortez could face the same problem.
Who’s this “many”? Kamala lost because of her Joe Biden neolib policies, her hard heel-turn to the right, and her “nothing will change, we are the most lethal military” stance on the Middle East.
Instead of reassuring the masses who she thought were a shoe-in, she tried to appease the “I’ll never vote for a black woman” crowd, which alienated the former and would never have worked on the latter.
It was either the greatest miscalculation ever, lead by Third Way focus groups, or someone tugged the leash. Either way, with the GOP rat fucking that was almost certainly happening to some degree.
Pretty shitty of Newsweek to pretend that progressive policies are unpopular with a majority of Americans.
its almost like all legacy media is inherently fascist
Many = the author. Every time.
In fairness to Newsweek, based on the sentence before this, I think they mean, “many in the party establishment,” not, “many people in general.”
She brings significant energy to the primary among younger voters, but some in the Democratic Party establishment believe her progressive policies could alienate swing voters in the general election. Many believe Harris lost in 2024…
they do this every time though. The centrists fail, so obviously the answer is more centrism.
More centrism to the right, of course, never to the left.
Yup.
She came out look ling like Darth vader in one of the televised things she did and did the war hawk dance. Fuck off forever, you lost to Donald Fucking Trump after spending 1.5 billion.
The 1.5bn spend is the DNC payday.
I’m pretty sure it was the opposite. I still voted for her cause Trump was worse. But I felt then like I do now. She’s a Republican. Her policies are conservative and Republican.
Agreed she’s Republican Lite. Socially liberal but fiscally she acts far more like 1980s republicans.
Personally, I think it is because there was no Democratic Party primary. Biden stole the time that any potential candidate could have used to prove their mettle to voters.
Yeah, I would also actually lay more blame on Biden over Kamela, despite Kamela being a pretty terrible candidate
DNC has already shown they aren’t taking that as the lesson learnt. They won’t even release the 2024 autopsy cause they don’t like what it says
It was obvious the party was cooked in 2018 - when, in response to regaining power after losing in a great upset to an insane game show host, they kept the exact same leadership.
There are many contradictory opinions on why Harris lost. These opinions usually boil down to “Her policy positions weren’t close enough to my policy positions, and that’s why she lost.”
And every other leftist on this site seems to believe that she would have won, had she just pandered to them more. Completely ignoring the fact that leftism essentially doesn’t exist in this country, and Lemmy isn’t an accurate representation of American voters.
Well, it’s pretty obvious that running for the Liz Cheney voter did not work.
Yeah, major miscalculation for sure
Having seen it with Gore, Kerry, Obama (post win), Clinton, and now Harris, it’s not a single mistake. The Dems would always prefer to lose to the right than win to the left.
Biden had COVID, so it’s just outside the norm.
Right, because there is no proper left in this country, and Democrats are centrists who want to continue the status quo
Yup, and so they ratchet in what the right has done. As the status quo is not a static thing.
No, she lost because she was black and a woman. People always underestimate just how racist and sexist the US is. Don’t fall into this trap.
Women won senate races in three of the swing states she lost and a Hispanic man won a fourth. It’s hard to imagine an explanation more out of line with actual evidence.
Yeah, that’s not true.
But if it was, then you need to be asking why, in an election they claimed was existential, the Democratic Party anointed a black woman to run as their candidate against Trump.
Because that’s the conclusion of the excuse you’re making - that the Democrats can only nominate men, or they’re choosing to lose.
A THIRD of people, only slightly smaller than the third that voted for Trump, voted for Harris based on the fact that she WASN’T TRUMP. Another third didn’t vote because they felt her stance on Israel wasn’t enough to offset that she wasn’t Trump. I don’t feel it had anything to do with her race or gender.
Everyone looks at the third that didn’t vote as if it would magically change everything. But even if they did vote it wouldn’t change the outcome all that much. It’s like everyone just ignores the Law of Large Numbers.
Pretty crazy to write that the third that didn’t vote, did so because of Israel lol
It’s more like the tenth that sometimes vote simply weren’t excited enough.
Case in point: your bullshit comment.
“Oh, it couldn’t possibly be her shitty policy positions; it had to have been because of her race and gender!”
Fuck all the way off with your soft bigotry of low expectations.
The polls say otherwise. She was leading after her announcement, when she was still talking about healthcare reform, economic justice, taxing the rich, etc. For about three weeks.
Then she talked to her business rep corpo brother, and shifted gear to espousing pro-corporate policy, defending the wealthy, calling leftists Bernie bros, etc, and fell behind.
I agree that Palestine made little difference, btw. It cost her around half a million votes, but she lost by three times that. That’s looking at state by state, too.
She lost because she turned herself into Biden 2, instead of what people wanted her to be, which was Obama (until he became President. He lied very well, then governed well enough that we forgave him for being friends with the corps).
It’s possible that it she was a white man, and absolutely nothing else was different, that she very well might have just barely eeked out a victory. That’s still a failure. It should have been a blowout. It was a failure of a campaign, racism and sexism against the candidate by the general public was a component, but the least relevant one.
Exactly. People forget that Biden in 2020 under performed polls, and it’s pretty clear that absent COVID he would have lost.
Yeah. Her argument was that she was Joe Biden, but younger and more diverse. But Joe Biden was LOSING. Even before his debate performance. And he only barely won in 2020, which also should have been a blowout.
It’s not the blackness or the femaleness, it’s doubling down on shitty uninspiring politics. An old white male Joe Biden was going to lose even worse than the middle aged black female Joe Biden.
I agree, even if Biden was 20 years younger I think he would have won. If he was 20 years younger and female and Indian he would have lost just as Harris did.
It was definitely policy that hindered them, but also the sexism and racism.
No, she lost because she was black and a woman.
“Kamala Harris ran the perfect campaign, she was just stabbed in the back!”
KHive is the new Freikorp
Maybe if the Friekorps confined itself to shit posting on Facebook
I dunno, they seem to have had at least half the Trump assassination attempts so far?
You couldn’t mention her name around here without a bandwagon of “She’s the literal genocide queen and a vote for her is a vote to murder Palestinian children.”
I mean, she did support the genocide. Which murdered tens of thousands of Palestinian children. What is your point?
Thank you for illustrating my point. And I’m sure you feel like Trump is doing a fantastic job with human rights, at home and abroad (when he comes up for air while gargling Bibi’s balls, of course).
And I’m sure you feel like Trump is doing a fantastic job with human rights
Why don’t you just go have a nice tea party with the little strawman you’ve created?
The only thing Trump is doing a great job at is destroying the US. Whether that’s good or not, debatable.
Yes! Thank you. This is exactly my point. You’ve illustrated it perfectly 😘
But “around here” is representative of what? 5% of voters? 16% of democratic voters max? Let’s not pretend Lemmy users represent a sizable number of democratic voters.
Since you mentioned the name, I did notice quite obviously the disrespect everyone had toward Kamala Harris in the news and online comments simply due what they called her.
Almost everywhere, it was quite common for people to refer to her as Kamala and not Harris.
I suspect it was either due to her being a woman, or due to her being Indian (Kamala sounds a lot more foreign than Harris).
It was always “Kamala vs Trump” never Harris vs Trump or Kamala vs Donald.
Almost everywhere, it was quite common for people to refer to her as Kamala and not Harris.
Because that’s the more unique and thus memorable part of her name. Just like “Bernie” is more memorable than “Sanders”.
It wasn’t a sign of disrespect, sexism, or othering to call Bernie by his first name, and it wasn’t in the case of Kamala Harris either.
Anyone who says otherwise is likely grasping at straws to explain away the fact that it was mostly her policy positions and allegiance to Biden, corporations, and Israel over the people she was SUPPOSED to represent that lost her the election rather than bigotry.
That sounds exactly like something those Sandersbros would do, they’re basically indistinguishable from r/TheTrump.
I assumed it was the woman aspect, hadn’t even considered the foreign aspect.
https://news.asu.edu/20170721-solutions-asu-mayo-study-how-female-doctors-introduced
I have a really hard time remembering how to pronounce her first name because I know someone with the same spelling but different pronunciation, (and I read the news, don’t watch it) so to avoid saying it wrong I only ever said Harris.
Only on Lemmy
I’d laugh so hard if the backlash against trump was an AOC presidency!
Well, there is a thing called counterculture. One generation didn’t like the prevailing culture they grew up in, and so they go against it and set new values. This then leads to the following generation disliking that new culture and go against it.
Rinse and repeat.
Counterculture requires the existence of a monoculture.
Since the 2000s, there’s ONLY split cultures that all consider themselves countercultures. Hell, Republicans think they’re rebelling against the elites and deep state.
Pendulum effect
AOC President with Bernie as Senate Majority Leader.
Simpsons predicted it.
As you know, we’ve inherited quite a budget crunch from President Trump
And I would NEVER let any maga family live it down. Everytime would be like that Asian surgeon from Scrubs.
I should watch Scrubs again
New season either just came out or is about to.
The DNC is not gonna be happy about this… 😆
It’s well past time to ride roughshod over them.
If I can humbly suggest another solution . . .
Sure they will be. They’ll look at the poll results, throw them in the garbage, and run Newsom like they were already planning to
And then: OH noes! Democracy is in danger. Give us $10.
And then: OH noes! Democracy is in danger. Give us $10.
And then they get $1.5b+ again and lose again or at best scrape a narrow win against either Trump, Vance, or another profoundly incompetent and obviously malicious candidate.
They weren’t happy about Bernie and look at the fucking mess they caused.
The DNC is currently up shit creek. Many other major Democratic organizations are out fundraising them by a wide margin. Many “true blue” Democrats are pissed as hell at DNC leadership and how utterly spineless and opaque they’re being. I don’t think we’re going into this next election cycle with a DNC that’s powerful enough to thumb the scales in that way
They are protecting the Epstein class
They’re going to love having a fresh face to attract people to the party, donate lots of time and money, and stick around to get scolded with “Vote Blue No Matter Who” when progressives are rug pulled in Iowa and New Hampshire.
God if she had a chance.
THERE IS ANOTHER ELECTION BEFORE THAT.
It’s two years away. It’s not even the next election! And this is all presuming that there even is another election, which is far from given.
There is absolutely nothing you can say about a hypothetic 2028 election in 2026.
What are you talking about? The headline clearly says she’s winning the election.
They run polls on potential 2028 primary candidates all the time. This was the first one AOC has led in. It is notable.
The point of these polls isn’t to predict who the Democratic candidate for president will be in 2028. The point is to gauge what the Democratic primary electorate is currently feeling/prioritizing. They’re moving away from “just give me a safe white guy who can win the general” and toward “give me the most progressive one you got.”
There is absolutely nothing you can say about a hypothetic 2028 election in 2026.
Speculation on the 2028 presidential race began five minutes after the 2024 polls closed.
The Forever Campaign is much like the Forever War, in so far as it is a suffocating political miasma that strangles any other conversation.
It’s just a buzzworthy headline, just for people to click so they can get more ad revenue.
She’s not even running.
Democrats are starting their primary already? Must want to try and get people to vote in the midterms.
No, it clearly states in the article that this data was from a poll conducted by AtlasIntel, a Brazilian marketing company. They also point out that not a single other poll has gotten these results. This post is very misleading. But people see a headline they like, and they upvote/comment without bothering to read the articles.
Bernie 2.0 incoming, who’s ready for Gavin Newsom to be president?
AOC hasn’t even said what role she’ll be putting her name in for in 2028 yet, has she?
No one on the list has.
The polls are all over the place, but this one seems more believable than anything with Harris leading. AOC-Buttigieg-Newsom as front runners at least seems like the opinions of real people actually thinking about the next primary. Harris leading just screams people who don’t recognize any other names. You just don’t come back from a failure that catastrophic.
She’s the only one I’m voting for. Don’t be afraid to vote for her, many others will, your vote will not be wasted.
Then you better show up to the primary
I think she actually has a good chance. She would get a pretty good turnout from energized progressives, but she would also get the gooner votes. How could a Republican beat that?
No. Quit running women. Im sorry, but it just is not time. They are only putting women candidates up to give Republicans easy wins. FFS Biden beat Trump … BIDEN, who is pretty much just a Republican himself.
Democrats want the immigrant vote, but the Hispanics mostly voted Trump because of abortion (Catholics) and because they did not want to vote for a woman.
AOC would be a decent Potus … but it is unlikely she could win, if she does win it will be a close one. The Republicans could run a woman and win … but I doubt dems can.
Lmao Kamala lost because all of the people who’d normally vote for a democratic woman where put off by a wishy-washy, genocide defending, hard-on-crime neolib.
No one wants neoliberalism, and if you want socialism to take its place instead of fascism, neolibs need to get the fuck out of the way.
No one wants neoliberalism,
Nobody on Lemmy wants neoliberalism. Maybe try leaving your house for once and talking to people in real life.
Oh, so we’re going for a 3rd Trump term then?
If you’re going to casually toss out statements like that, you might want to elaborate on your reasoning a bit.
America is too racist and bigoted as shown by the last 2 Trump wins
Did you completely forget about 2 terms with Obama? Turn your head sideways and let the bong resin flow out of your ear. It might take some time
I forgot Obama was a woman and ran against Trump. Damn, I guess you’re right.
No, he had a black Muslim African father, an active campaign to paint him as not-American (with a heavy subtext of not-white), and the middle name Hussein when trying to succeed the War on Terror president. And Republicans (including Trump) tried their damnedest to make that define him. And then Democrats won a supermajority.
Obama had way more to overcome, but all that stuff is irrelevant if you have charisma and a popular platform.
I hear you, and it’s a fair claim to make. But you can’t assume people will be able to fill in that gap accurately unless you say what you mean. Especially in an online, text-based forum that’s likely full of trolls and bots. That’s probably why you got downvoted to oblivion.
It’s not the end of the world
Given the choice of a Nazi pedophile or … a woman, the former has proven to be the choice twice already.
Exactly what I’m saying, but you get upvotes and I get down votes
History has proven again and again that the first woman to win will be a conservative. With more of the blue collar union guys starting to vote conservative, this becomes even more probable.
Even so, I really hope I can look on this comment 3 years now and be proved wrong.
the first woman to win will be a conservative
Sort of like how Colin Powell was our first black president?
These people proactively enforcing the preferences of bigots just act like Barrack Hussein Obama never existed.
I think there’s a real serious argument that “conservative” can mask “woman” or “minority” to counterweight nativist bigotry. And you might see this in politicians like Jodi Ernst or Sarah Palin or Dianne Feinstein or Kamala Harris even, where tacking to conservative rhetoric offsets the presumption that you’re a bunch of bra burning far left feminists.
But the idea that you can’t run as a conservative Democrat and win high office? Really requires you to just gouge out your eyes before glancing at any historical text. God forbid you lay eyes on a biography of Hillary Clinton.
Always have been
Fuck this noise stop pushing her for president. One she needs to push out Schumer and run for Senate. Second no way would she win the primary at this time. She will get the Bernie Sanders treatment and lastly against the current Trump administration to deal with in 2028? They would probably assassinate her before they let get anywhere near the white house.
Also I worry she would pull a Obama act and run progressive but turn to the right in the end.
I just have no faith in the DNC and believe we only going turn things around with revolution nothing else. Voting out fascism is not going happen.
Also I worry she would pull a Obama act and run progressive but turn to the right in the end
I’ve never seen any indication suggesting that would be the case. In fact, I think if she had some weight behind her, she’d be likely to go more to the left.
This whole post is politically incoherent. She’s both too radical to win/survive and a secret moderate, while electoral politics is both a waste of time and it’s her duty to challenge Chuck Schumer.
too radical to win/survive
This sounds like the attitude that is turning a lot of people off the democratic party lately. The US political right might brand her radical, but a lot of what she advocates for is just common sense and how first world countries work.
A lot of people would also argue that the time for a moderate approach is over.
I’ll admit I’m not an expert on AOC’s entire political career, but I have read that her legislative achievement aren’t very impressive. Perhaps her place should be in the public focus, pushing policies and initiatives, while others might be better suited to the legislative positions to support what she’s publicly advocating for.
Literally no one’s legislative achievements are impressive. Being able to pass anything either requires a large majority and a full party effort or for it to be a non-controversial bipartisan bill. It’s not a body where individual lawmakers make legislative achievements.
Perhaps her place should be in the public focus, pushing policies and initiatives, while others might be better suited to the legislative positions to support what she’s publicly advocating for.
Like as president?
Like as president?
Yes. That’s exactly what I meant.
They would probably assassinate her before they let get anywhere near the white house.
I believe this.
You are applying the corruption of past political dipshits to someone who has shown no indication at all to be corrupt. She has been extremely consistent, and you have no reason to believe that she will change.
Regardless she isn’t going get pass the primary if she runs.
I actually agree. I think she should openly challenge Schmuck for his seat, and make him fight for it, or quit. Then go to work in the Senate, destroying any attempted MAGA SCOTUS or Cabinet appointments.
Tear up the Senate for a term or two, and then start looking at a presidential run, or a Cabinet post, depending on the timing, then a presidential run.
Or just stay in the Senate, and run your own joint. It’s a whole separate branch, after all, equal to the president. It would be good to have someone running it who isn’t afraid to remind them of that.
She’s smart enough to navigate a track like that.
That what I believe too.
They(MAGA adverts) giving her free publicity here as a radical leftist (along with Bernie.)
I primaried for Bernie. AOC would get my vote.
I voted for Bernie twice, donated and door knocked. I will do the same for her, but the results will be the same unfortunately the DNC is captured.
How them boots taste?
op is literally doing the opposite of licking boots, do you actually know what youre talking about?
Yeah some dumbfuck said he didn’t trust her, or democrats, either a bot or maga
